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kevin_standlee ([personal profile] kevin_standlee) wrote2015-09-03 08:35 am

Hugo Award Categories: Magazines and Editors

I have mentioned this elsewhere, but here's my proposal for a significant revision of the Magazine and Editor categories to reflect what I perceive to be the way the electorate today wants to vote upon such things.

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Long ago, the Hugo Awards had categories that included "Best Professional Magazine" (1953-1972) and "Best SF Book Publisher" (1964-1969). However, as I understand it, there was a complaint that rewarding the magazines was leaving out the anthologies, and thus in 1973 the Prozine category was dropped in favor of Best Professional Editor, which mostly went to magazine editors but was supposed to cover anthology and book editors as well. Over time, it appears to me that nearly everyone who looks at the Hugo Awards either forgot or never knew about this connection. Then we split Editor into Short and Long Form, with Long Form theoretically aimed at book editors; however, very few publishers actually list the editors of the novels they publish. At best, Editor Long Form could be seen as a proxy for the old Best Publisher category.

Also in the meantime, the dominance of a single publication over the Fanzine category led to the creation of a the Semiprozine category, primarily to keep Locus from winning Fanzine every year; instead, Locus won Semiprozine almost every year. Then, when some people worked to simply kill the category entirely, a bunch of small semi-professional magazines sprang forward to "save" the category, and in the ensuing multi-year melee, the category got modified in such a way that Locus wasn't even eligible anymore, although its editors are eligible in Editor Short Form.

Also in the meantime, we have people who want a Best Anthology or Collection category, and who are unconvinced when knowledgeable people like me point them at Editor Short Form. "That's not the same thing," they say. They want an award for the work, not the person, and they aren't particularly interested in a WSFS dispute from forty years ago.

I think we've reached a point, in small steps, where a significant proportion of the Hugo Award electorate doesn't know how to actually nominate in at least three categories, and at worst derides those categories because they think they are so complicated or need specialist knowledge that they'll never have. This is not good for the health of the Hugo Awards.

I therefore propose that we should delete three existing categories that people find confusing and unclear and replace them with three new categories that, while not perfectly defined (it's difficult to define things completely air-tight), are at least more accessible and understandable to the people picking up the ballot or reading the results list.

Categories to Delete
  • Best Semiprozine

  • Best Editor Long Form

  • Best Editor Short Form


Categories to Add
  • Best Professional Magazine

  • Best Anthology or Collection

  • Best Publisher


The definition of Professional Magazine would be the converse of Fanzine, and would be pretty straightforward to determine:
  1. Paid its contributors or staff monetarily in other than copies of the publication, and/or

  2. Was generally available only for paid purchase

Existing semi-professional magazines would compete against the existing professional magazines. Oh, and Locus would be eligible for the category, too, inasmuch as I'd not consider limiting such a category to be primarily fictional works. The boundary between "semi-pro" and "professional" is a lot fuzzier than it once was, thanks to online publishing.

We would have to work on the definition of Best Publisher to deal with cases like Tor US/Tor UK or to try and figure out if an imprint within a publisher is distinct from the parent publisher, but it still would be easier to figure out than Editor Long Form.

Now there is no Rule of Conservation of Hugo Number. Just because you delete three categories doesn't mean you have to add three categories. However, I do think the three new categories I propose are easier to understand for the average person than the increasingly inscrutable categories I propose to delete.

Personally, I'd prefer to pair the category changes, so each deletion was paired with an addition: Semiprozine -> Prozine; Editor Short -> Anthology/Collection; Editor Long -> Publisher. However, politics of category addition/deletion being what they are, I expect that it would be easier to submit them as six separate changes. On the other hand, this means you could have a potential swing of between -3 and +3 categories, which would also not really be ideal in my opinion. (I'd personally prefer there be not more than -1/+1 net.) In any event, even if submitted as three pairs of changes, the Business Meeting could by majority vote split the deletions and additions by the motion to Divide the Question.

I'm prepared to draft up all of the necessary language for these changes if there are sufficient people, especially people intending to attend the 2016 Worldcon in Kansas City and the Business Meeting there, who agree that these would be improvements to the Hugo Award categories.

[identity profile] annieworld.livejournal.com 2015-09-03 03:57 pm (UTC)(link)
I am not sure about the Best Publisher category - it has very similar problems to the current Editors ones - it is not that easy to judge what a publisher put out in a year. On the other hand I would love to have a way to nominate the small presses that I had liked in a certain year - even if the winner will always end up being one of the big publishing houses. The other 5 changes I would love to see proposed ( and accepted - and I will be in the Kansas BMs.)

[identity profile] brithistorian.livejournal.com 2015-09-03 03:59 pm (UTC)(link)
I like these changes, but unfortunately will not be at the Worldcon to champion them. I hope you're able to get volunteers to stop forward.
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[personal profile] solarbird 2015-09-03 04:43 pm (UTC)(link)
Yes, the best editor categories are utterly incoherent. This makes a lot more sense even if, honestly, I'm not sure I'm feeling the whole "Best Publisher" thing. But if it keeps people happy, I'm for it.

[identity profile] bovil.livejournal.com 2015-09-03 04:44 pm (UTC)(link)
I would drop "professional" from the "magazine" title category. And the semi-pro supporters will fight against being lumped with large-publisher magazines.

"Publisher," as you note, is sloppy. It's also ripe for still being part of the political war. Though at least we're looking at openly so...

[identity profile] kevin-standlee.livejournal.com 2015-09-03 04:49 pm (UTC)(link)
I suggest that it would be vastly easier to determine what any individual publisher issued in a given year than it is to determine which novels a given editor edited (baring the editor him/herself listing them).

[identity profile] kevin-standlee.livejournal.com 2015-09-03 04:50 pm (UTC)(link)
You have to have something to distinguish the Prozine category from Fanzine, unless you also propose dropping Best Fanzine and just having a Best Magazine category. (This has merits on a different axis that could be discussed separately.)

[identity profile] annieworld.livejournal.com 2015-09-03 04:53 pm (UTC)(link)
If you drop Professional, than anything that publishes any related fiction/non-fiction (online or printed) will become eligible. I like Kevin's definition above (pays contributors and/or is available for paid purchase) - it will probably be overran by the big magazines tor.com will qualify under those rules I believe) but there is still a way to nominate the smaller editions.

[identity profile] annieworld.livejournal.com 2015-09-03 05:00 pm (UTC)(link)
And how do we deal with Imprints - do we treat them as separate publishers or is any Imprint on its own. If we treat them as separates, it opens the door for quite a funny ballot. If we treat them as one - we are back to - how someone figures out what belongs to who?

PS: I do not disagree with you that Publisher is easier than Editor - that part is obvious. I just think it still has problems when we go for Publisher.
Edited 2015-09-03 17:03 (UTC)

[identity profile] jcfiala.livejournal.com 2015-09-03 05:00 pm (UTC)(link)
I like these ideas... I'm considering attending the Kansas City con next year, but I'm not certain yet.

[identity profile] paul kincaid-critic (from livejournal.com) 2015-09-03 05:08 pm (UTC)(link)
Yes, I thoroughly approve of these changes. I have long argued that the Hugo Awards should be for a specific work rather than for a person, and this is exactly what your proposal does.

My only hesitation is in lumping together fiction and non-fiction magazines. I really am not sure that would work. For these purposes I would restrict the category to fiction magazines. Non-fiction magazines might find a place in Related Work when that mess of a category gets the make-over it so desperately needs.

[identity profile] elysdir.livejournal.com 2015-09-03 05:18 pm (UTC)(link)
Although my intuition agrees with you about fiction vs nonfiction magazines, I'm not sure how to usefully make that distinction, because most magazines that I think of as fiction magazines also publish nonfiction. Are you proposing that the distinction would be that a magazine that publishes any fiction at all counts as a fiction magazine? What if (unlikely example for the sake of argument) Locus ran a short-short story in one issue?
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[personal profile] billroper 2015-09-03 05:21 pm (UTC)(link)
I agree in part. I think that pulling the primarily non-fiction magazines into their own category would be better than trying to put them in Related Work. But I also think that while they clearly don't belong in the same category as fiction magazines, allowing a magazine into Related Work is something like nominating an entire TV series in BDP:SF.

I recognize that this would turn into delete three, add four, but...
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[personal profile] billroper 2015-09-03 05:24 pm (UTC)(link)
I would vote to include the word "primarily" and let the Hugo administrators sort them out. :) Thus, the review column or a science article in Analog wouldn't move it out of the fiction category; a short-story in Locus wouldn't move it out of non-fiction.

I understand that judgment calls can suck, but there are some days that you have to assume that people aren't complete idiots, whatever evidence might exist to the contrary. :)

(Anonymous) 2015-09-03 05:29 pm (UTC)(link)
especially people intending to attend the 2017 Worldcon in Kansas City


Uh, Kevin, if you go to the Kansas City WorldCon ins 2017, you will be very lonesome there...


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[identity profile] nihilistic-kid.livejournal.com 2015-09-03 05:40 pm (UTC)(link)
Best Non-Fanzine?

I generally see a lot to support in these proposals!

[identity profile] kevin-standlee.livejournal.com 2015-09-03 05:46 pm (UTC)(link)
How do we deal with imprints? I don't know. There are multiple ways, and I don't know which would be best.

[identity profile] kevin-standlee.livejournal.com 2015-09-03 05:47 pm (UTC)(link)
Fixed.

[identity profile] kevin-standlee.livejournal.com 2015-09-03 05:51 pm (UTC)(link)
1. I don't think there are enough primarily non-fiction non-amateur magazines to justify their own category. Remember that it should be an honor just to make the final ballot. That means you probably should be able to name about fifteen possible magazines that would be eligible as a bare minimum to make a category viable.

2. Not only would this mean "add four," but given how many people think that it's not right to have a combined anthology/collection category, so the only right thing to do is to add Best Anthology and Best Collection, now you have add five. Politically, this isn't going to fly IMO.

I urge everyone to avoid letting the perfect be the enemy of the good. Focusing on the perfect solution will almost certainly result in no changes going through, even though most people agree that the current situation is worse than any of the proposed changes.

[identity profile] annieworld.livejournal.com 2015-09-03 05:54 pm (UTC)(link)
Fair enough. I am just working in my mind through the idea of Best Publisher. I definitely like it more than Best Editor but I still find it too tricky...

[identity profile] coalescent.livejournal.com 2015-09-03 06:07 pm (UTC)(link)
Cascadia Subduction Zone, Strange Horizons, SFX, NYRSF, Tor.com, io9, The Mary Sue, Interzone, The Book Smugglers, Pornokitsch, Den of Geek, Locus, Starburst, SciFiNow, and Arc.

Damn, that's only 14. Though I'm pretty sure I could think of more, given a bit more time on the task.

The catch of course is that while I think all of these could be eligible on the strength of their non-fiction content alone, some of them could also be eligible for a fiction-only category on the strength of their fiction content alone. So you could end up with the same venue winning two Hugos in one year. That seems unnecessary, so on balance I think I'm against separate fiction/non-fiction categories.

[identity profile] lindadee.livejournal.com 2015-09-03 06:22 pm (UTC)(link)
The Fanzine fans are already screaming that that category has been taken over by others and not the "real fans." I won't name names.

[identity profile] lindadee.livejournal.com 2015-09-03 06:24 pm (UTC)(link)
I believe we will have to deal with that answer or we'll be handing out awards to the publishers all over the world who publish an individual item.

[identity profile] j. c. salomon (from livejournal.com) 2015-09-03 06:28 pm (UTC)(link)
Slightly off-topic, but I can’t find a better place to ask this: What happened to the Best Series proposal? From what I could tell it was discussed, sent to committee—and then what?
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[identity profile] buddykat.livejournal.com 2015-09-03 07:43 pm (UTC)(link)
My understanding is that the committee will work on refining the proposal over the next year and report back at next year's business meeting.

[identity profile] kevin-standlee.livejournal.com 2015-09-03 07:58 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh, I agree that we need to deal with it. I just don't know what the right answer is. I am not particularly troubled by handing out awards to single-item imprints/publishers, though.

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