kevin_standlee: (Business Meeting)
kevin_standlee ([personal profile] kevin_standlee) wrote2013-08-31 10:31 pm

Things That Cheer Me Up

A view of the YA Hugo issues at the Preliminary Business Meeting from the POV of the motion's advocate.

I'm flattered. And those people rushing to defend poor defenseless females from the Evil Old White Male Patriarchy ought to read this before going off to take offense on behalf of other people.
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[personal profile] billroper 2013-09-01 04:37 am (UTC)(link)
And thank you!

[identity profile] daveon.livejournal.com 2013-09-01 04:50 am (UTC)(link)
I've read some blisteringly dumb reports of the meeting. Good to see alternatives.

[identity profile] dsmoen.livejournal.com 2013-09-01 06:04 am (UTC)(link)
Thanks for the link.

I'd only scanned through that conversation last night, and I was in a lot of pain and still a bit woozy from pain meds, so it came out pretty garbled when I tried to talk to Rick about it at breakfast.

I'm truly glad she wasn't offended, and am even more glad that interesting conversations have started to occur.

[identity profile] yourbob.livejournal.com 2013-09-01 07:34 am (UTC)(link)
I think she's right that its the best outcome for the YA cause. Actually for all sides.
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[identity profile] buddykat.livejournal.com 2013-09-01 03:54 pm (UTC)(link)
They also should really read her follow up post. Because us women are perfectly capable of being able to not only speak for ourselves, but to also tell when we are being oppressed or silenced. We certainly do NOT need a self-described "middle-aged white guy" to "explain" to us poor, helpless females how we were oppressed.

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Edited 2013-09-01 15:55 (UTC)
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[personal profile] danceswithlife 2013-09-01 05:58 pm (UTC)(link)
Thank you for all the clarity you bring to this process, and thank you for the help getting the YA committee going.

[identity profile] anna o'connell (from livejournal.com) 2013-09-04 04:43 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm so relieved to read this. I could scarcely recognize you or Don Eastlake from the very vicious descriptions I was reading from people who attended the business meeting but were not familiar with the details of the WSFS standing rules and Robert's.

I agree that there needs to be some recognition of achievement in YA writing. I'm not yet convinced that a separate Hugo category or categories is the correct answer, but I am also not automatically opposed to it. If we as a community can come up with a definition of "semi-pro-zine", we can probably come up with a way to distinguish YA from ordinary fantasy or science fiction.