You have gone off on a tangent and erroneous assumptions that seem incredibly counter productive and totally off the mark regarding me personally. Nowhere did I indicate I was anti-mask or anti-vaccine. Nothing in anything I said was anti-mask or anti-vaccine.
In fact I am fully vaccinated, as is everyone in my household, I wear a mask in public even when not required. I will help at an event later this year that also will require vaccines and masks and I assume that last year's November event will have similar requirements this year. FWIW, I am 70 with health issues, have a roommate with chronic health issues and a husband with chronic asthma. We have taken steps from the beginning to protect our household. I am not sure what part of that indicates to you that I am "casually risking the lives of others in the name of personal freedom"
As noted the November event we attended had essentially the same requirements - vaccine or negative test, masks at all time - that Tonopah has. Hardly the policies of a "super-spreader event". Indeed, I compared two fan run events of similar size with similar requirements and noted the very distinctive differences in the manner in which the same polices were presented to potential attendees and the additional options that were available in November that are not available in Tonopah. Again, hardly the statements of a person advocating for no mask and no vaccines. November was a safe non-super-spreader event because they reached a middle ground to accommodate both safety and people and did so without really upsetting more than a couple of people. OTOH, I've seen/heard a lot of negative discussion of Tonopah's COID requirements that, to be blunt, revolve more around how those requirements have been presented than they were over the actual requirements themselves.
So yes there is a middle ground - Mask required, yes. One specific type of mask, no Vaccine required when possible, yes. If unable to get vaccinated then a negative test within 72 hours of event, also yes. Hardly the policies of either a potential super spreader event or one that wants to casually risk people's lives
COVID is here to stay but few, if any events, are going to survive if they enact requirements that are more harsh than those at the height of the pandemic which is why polices need to reach the middle ground between too lax and too harsh. We are, at this point, more or less talking the difference between the precautions necessary for the height of the Spanish Flu pandemic and the precautions necessary for the ongoing annual flu we all deal with and have for decades.
However, reaching a policy that serves the needs of the most people without being too harsh or too lax requires actual discussion that does not descend into angry rhetoric and personal attacks, particularly angry rhetoric that has nothing to do with anything that has been suggested, just because there are differing views on how the issue can be best handled. If we cannot talk to each other, acknowledge that there are differing opinions on pretty much all issues facing fandom and there is not a "one size fits all" solution to any of those problems... if we cannot reach mutual agreements then fandom is doomed to death no matter how many masks are worn because problems in conrunning cannot be solved if we cannot even talk to each other rationally.
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timeasmymeasure
Re: What "middle ground"??
Date: 2022-06-11 09:29 am (UTC)In fact I am fully vaccinated, as is everyone in my household, I wear a mask in public even when not required. I will help at an event later this year that also will require vaccines and masks and I assume that last year's November event will have similar requirements this year. FWIW, I am 70 with health issues, have a roommate with chronic health issues and a husband with chronic asthma. We have taken steps from the beginning to protect our household. I am not sure what part of that indicates to you that I am "casually risking the lives of others in the name of personal freedom"
As noted the November event we attended had essentially the same requirements - vaccine or negative test, masks at all time - that Tonopah has. Hardly the policies of a "super-spreader event". Indeed, I compared two fan run events of similar size with similar requirements and noted the very distinctive differences in the manner in which the same polices were presented to potential attendees and the additional options that were available in November that are not available in Tonopah. Again, hardly the statements of a person advocating for no mask and no vaccines. November was a safe non-super-spreader event because they reached a middle ground to accommodate both safety and people and did so without really upsetting more than a couple of people. OTOH, I've seen/heard a lot of negative discussion of Tonopah's COID requirements that, to be blunt, revolve more around how those requirements have been presented than they were over the actual requirements themselves.
So yes there is a middle ground - Mask required, yes. One specific type of mask, no
Vaccine required when possible, yes. If unable to get vaccinated then a negative test within 72 hours of event, also yes.
Hardly the policies of either a potential super spreader event or one that wants to casually risk people's lives
COVID is here to stay but few, if any events, are going to survive if they enact requirements that are more harsh than those at the height of the pandemic which is why polices need to reach the middle ground between too lax and too harsh. We are, at this point, more or less talking the difference between the precautions necessary for the height of the Spanish Flu pandemic and the precautions necessary for the ongoing annual flu we all deal with and have for decades.
However, reaching a policy that serves the needs of the most people without being too harsh or too lax requires actual discussion that does not descend into angry rhetoric and personal attacks, particularly angry rhetoric that has nothing to do with anything that has been suggested, just because there are differing views on how the issue can be best handled. If we cannot talk to each other, acknowledge that there are differing opinions on pretty much all issues facing fandom and there is not a "one size fits all" solution to any of those problems... if we cannot reach mutual agreements then fandom is doomed to death no matter how many masks are worn because problems in conrunning cannot be solved if we cannot even talk to each other rationally.