You're saying that if you weren't terrified of flying, you wouldn't consider the quality of the experience better? That's crazy!
No, I'm saying that whether I'm terrified of dying in a plane crash does not affect the probability that I will.
You seem to be assuming a totally objective measurement of quality applicable to something that has a subjective element. What I'm saying is that it doesn't matter to me if your contrived "quality" system says something it utter perfection if my perceived quality of that thing is zero.
Social utility efficiency is about how good a voting method is at satisfying your subjective tastes. For instance, if that kid were at the school lunch room, and the teachers announced that they would list some options for the next day's lunch, and let the kids vote which one to have, that kid would want them to use Range Voting - not IRV or plurality. That would make him (and all the other students) more likely to be more satisfied with whatever lunch was chosen.
As another analogy, say I'm holding you captive in your home, and I have a 12-sided die and a 6-sided die (just imagine you're playing D&D). I tell you that in order to leave, you must pick one die, guess a number on it, and roll it - and if you guess the number correctly, you can go. Otherwise I hold you hostage another day, and we play again tomorrow.
Now, any idiot can tell you, you should pick the d6. Maybe when you leave, you'll go bowling, or maybe you'll go eat a steak at a nice restaurant, or maybe you'll go for a walk on the beach. Who am I to judge the value of what you do with your freedom? But no matter what you want to do, you'll be more likely to be more happy by picking the d6.
Range Voting is the d6 - IRV is the d12. Any questions?
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timeasmymeasure
Re: Supermajority vote?
Date: 2007-02-10 10:50 pm (UTC)No, I'm saying that whether I'm terrified of dying in a plane crash does not affect the probability that I will.
You seem to be assuming a totally objective measurement of quality applicable to something that has a subjective element. What I'm saying is that it doesn't matter to me if your contrived "quality" system says something it utter perfection if my perceived quality of that thing is zero.
Social utility efficiency is about how good a voting method is at satisfying your subjective tastes. For instance, if that kid were at the school lunch room, and the teachers announced that they would list some options for the next day's lunch, and let the kids vote which one to have, that kid would want them to use Range Voting - not IRV or plurality. That would make him (and all the other students) more likely to be more satisfied with whatever lunch was chosen.
As another analogy, say I'm holding you captive in your home, and I have a 12-sided die and a 6-sided die (just imagine you're playing D&D). I tell you that in order to leave, you must pick one die, guess a number on it, and roll it - and if you guess the number correctly, you can go. Otherwise I hold you hostage another day, and we play again tomorrow.
Now, any idiot can tell you, you should pick the d6. Maybe when you leave, you'll go bowling, or maybe you'll go eat a steak at a nice restaurant, or maybe you'll go for a walk on the beach. Who am I to judge the value of what you do with your freedom? But no matter what you want to do, you'll be more likely to be more happy by picking the d6.
Range Voting is the d6 - IRV is the d12. Any questions?