I have shown you otherwise. Check the textbook I already referred you to, which treats them as separate systems. I consider standard textbooks a little more reliable for such classifications than wiki-fricking-pedia. You could have put that sentence in Wikipedia yourself.
If STV with only one winner is the same as IRV, so is a list system with only one candidate per list. That doesn't make a list system the proper term to describe IRV.
You do not use the same rules for the two. The act of intending it for single winners instead of multiple winners changes the rules. The Droop quota threshold calculation, for instance, which is the key feature of STV, has no place in IRV whatsoever, where you just skip it and go to simple majority. Neither does the surplus vote allocation, a concept totally alien to anything in IRV.
The original point was that IRV is the term for what Hugo voting uses, STV isn't. If you say you're using STV, you mean you're using the full panoply of STV rules to elect multiple winners. We don't. So it's not STV. Period.
Your knowledge of the systems you're criticizing is as poor as your knowledge of how science fiction conventions work, so there's no point in listening to you on anything.
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Date: 2007-01-24 07:19 am (UTC)If STV with only one winner is the same as IRV, so is a list system with only one candidate per list. That doesn't make a list system the proper term to describe IRV.
You do not use the same rules for the two. The act of intending it for single winners instead of multiple winners changes the rules. The Droop quota threshold calculation, for instance, which is the key feature of STV, has no place in IRV whatsoever, where you just skip it and go to simple majority. Neither does the surplus vote allocation, a concept totally alien to anything in IRV.
The original point was that IRV is the term for what Hugo voting uses, STV isn't. If you say you're using STV, you mean you're using the full panoply of STV rules to elect multiple winners. We don't. So it's not STV. Period.
Your knowledge of the systems you're criticizing is as poor as your knowledge of how science fiction conventions work, so there's no point in listening to you on anything.