Almost Home

Jul. 19th, 2025 11:35 pm
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Because of Kayla trying to attend the virtual Second Main WSFS Business Meeting of the 2025 Worldcon, and thus using up the middle four hours of our flight from LHR to DEN, we didn't get any sleep on the return home. I got back to RNO shortly after 10 PM PDT, got my luggage, retrieved the minivan, and got into the Best Western SureStay hotel literally across the street from the airport within an hour. I've been up since about 7 AM BST Saturday, meaning that I've been awake for more than 24 hours, and that's why I've booked the room. I'll have a longer write-up of the trip, and Kayla is apt to have more to say about the WSFS BM, but she has a commitment at 10 AM Sunday morning, so it's time for me to fall into bed and get enough sleep to get us safely home in the morning, get the house reactivated, and give her a chance to get ready for her meeting.

Bears ins Munichs

Jul. 19th, 2025 12:53 pm
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Todays Bears wents withs girls backs tos Sendlingers Tors. Thes others days chris says theres was camaras stores theres. Sooos girls wents ands boughts anothters lens fors camaras. Girls has promises tos takes bears pictures withs its soons. Whiles waitings fors stores tos opens, Bears stops tos sees somes flowers. https://wm.sdf.org/gallery/displayimage.php?album=lastup&cat=0&pid=27785#top_display_media

Up to date!

Jul. 19th, 2025 04:55 pm
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I have completed the semester's marking and mark returns for both University of Tokyo and Tokyo University of Science.

I am up to date on all the marking from Meiji University, though there will be some more essays submitted next Friday and the Friday after, for marking while I'm on "holiday" and I can then submit the marks to Meiji (one module out of three has been done).

I've completed the advance bookings for the holiday $OFFSPRING and I are going on next week.

I've complete a thing for the 2020 Worldcon admin, though there is still a big job ongoing with that to be done. The urgent one is completed, though.

I still have to pack for the trip.
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After the second session of the virtual WSFS business meeting:

  1. Another thing it's great to miss is when someone steps up to the mic, starts talking, and is immediately interrupted by half the room shouting "Say your name!!" because people are supposed to say their name before talking so the secretary can include it in the minutes. Not a problem online because not only can you not hear most of the rest of the room, everyone already comes labeled with their names.

    First-time speakers are nervous and forget stuff like this, and having people suddenly shouting at them rattles them further. When people talk about the business meetings feeling unwelcoming, I really think it's more this sort of thing than any of the structural isms.
  2. The words "I see several motions to amend" belong in a horror story.
  3. I'm sure someone thought they were being really funny nominating George R. R. Martin for the trial committee, but what if he takes it seriously and shows up tomorrow and promises to perform the duties to the best of his ability if elected? Who's the joke on then, huh?

Trees, Trains, Burritos, and Hotels

Jul. 18th, 2025 09:18 pm
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We had all day today to get from Ammanford to the hotel I'd booked at Heathrow, so we did not rush, spending a couple of hours at a forest garden in Swansea before taking the train to Paddington. As with a lot of these travel tales, I took more photos than I have time to write about. Click through them to read my photo notes, which are sometimes longer than my comments here.

Ammanford to Heathrow )

We're here tonight, and do not have to be up at the crack of dawn. My flight is scheduled to board around 14:00, and there is a public bus that is only two stops from Heathrow Central. OTOH, there's thunderstorms forecast, so if it's chucking it down, we might take a taxi. In any event, with luck it should be a relatively easy trip. I did get another (relatively) inexpensive Polaris Business (first) class upgrade for the flight to Denver (and will be in First class from there to Reno, because $100 is IMO a cheap upgrade for that segment). Then we'll see if we can get online for the Second Main Business WSFS Business Meeting of Seattle 2025.

I did go ahead and book a hotel room in Reno at the Best Western SureStay that is literally across the street (as in, walk out of baggage claim, cross the street, and you are there) from the airport. My flight doesn't arrive until about 22:00 PDT, and I think it prudent to go to the hotel and sleep for a few hours before going home on Sunday morning.

Bears ins Munichs

Jul. 18th, 2025 09:14 pm
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Bears wents outs todays. Bears dids nots haves goods times as girls hads bears rides insides news bags. This bags is smalls ands bears cans nots sees outs soooos goods. Stills was goods fors girls. Wes wents and saws chrisss. Wes alls wents tos thes Deutches Museums. Ones places hads somethings abouts makings gas outs ofs fishes. Bears thinks this is sillys. Was, ans oks days. Ahhhhhs theres was ones bads parts fors gilrs, yets abothers parts ofs hers camaras brokes. Ones ofs thes lens brokes. Girls uses manys bads words. Stills at leasts its was nots the best lens, soss shes cans stills takes pictures of bears.

not seeing Superman

Jul. 18th, 2025 04:37 am
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B. wants to see the new Superman movie, enough to have ventured out to see it, but the theater she went to did not have a functioning restroom, so she gave up and left. One more strike against our city's downtown, which we rarely go to anyway.

I am not interested. The last Superman movie I saw was in 1978 with Christopher Reeve. This one has been acclaimed the best one since then, but the last time I saw a superhero movie because it was supposed to be really good was Iron Man in 2008 with Robert Downey Jr, and while he was good, the movie was the usual superhero crap. I saw the trailer for the new Superman which consists mostly of Superman trying to argue that he's not the bad guy. That he's not the bad guy? I don't need this.

I read a review of the movie which listed some other superhero characters who appear in it. Green Lantern I knew about, but to me Mister Terrific is the name of a short-lived 1960s tv comedy show about a gas station attendant who takes a pill that gave him short-lived superpowers. (I remember liking it a lot at the time, but I sought out an episode some years later and found that, like most of the other comedies I liked as a child, it was really bad.)

B., who knows a lot more about superhero comics than I do, tells me that no, there was a Superman-universe superhero called Mister Terrific, and that the tv show was probably named after it.
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I've said it in various places, but for the record:

I declined nomination to the seat that I have held for many years on the WSFS Mark Protection Committee. My current term ends (in effect) on the first day of Seattle 2025, when the MPC holds its final meeting of this term. Unusually, we will know who my successor is before then, because the election to fill the three seats up for election will be held during the virtual Business Meetings behind held before the in-person convention happens.

Please take note that my decision do to this was unrelated to anything having to do with the Hugo Awards. I have not been a Hugo Award administrator for many years, and in particular, I was not a member of the Hugo Awards Administration Subcommittee in 2023. Unfortunately, due to some intemperate remarks by me about how WSFS works, I was reprimanded by the MPC and resigned as Chair of the MPC, but did not resign my seat as a member of the MPC and the ex officio directorship of Worldcon Intellectual Property, the non-profit corporation that manages the WSFS service marks on behalf of the World Science Fiction Society.

It appears to me that there is a strong sentiment among a large-ish number of people who are apt to participate in the process that WSFS needs some change. Well, by golly, I'm going to give them changes, and this year, those people have an opportunity to elect at least two people who are not incumbents, as the only one of the three incumbents who stood for re-election is Nicholas Whyte. I wonder if those people who said that I personally was the person doing the most harm to WSFS are even members of Worldcon and if they are, will they vote. Yes, those accusations still rankle, as did being threatened with being sued into oblivion for malfeasance as an MPC director and officer. Such accusations tend to chase away our most valuable and useful people in an organization that depends on dedicated volunteers to keep it working.

I declined nomination to the Trial Committee that will hear disciplinary charges against certain WSFS members. If you want to know more, read the linked article from File 770. The entire issue was discussed in executive session at the July 13 virtual WSFS Business Meeting, and aside from what is in the Presiding Officer's official statement, I do not think I can discuss any of the substance of the issues.

I appreciate people nominating me, but I do not think that I can serve in good conscience. I do not even expect to be personally present when the results of the Trial Committee's deliberations are presented to the Business Meeting, although it's likely that Kayla will be there.

2025 Hugos — Best Novel

Jul. 17th, 2025 10:50 pm
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I appreciate the Hugos because I'm behind on my SF reading and it's good to have a reminder of what I really should read. It's a semi-reliable recommendation, but not a bad one.

This year, I didn't manage to read any of the Best Novel finalists before they were nominated, but I read all of them in the packet. I was pleasantly surprised. In the past, I found some Best Novel finalists a chore to read. Not this year. They all pulled me in and held my attention.

Here may be spoilers... )

2025.07.17

Jul. 17th, 2025 01:29 pm
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Vance Boelter — the man accused of killing late DFL Rep. Melissa Hortman and her husband and wounding another lawmaker and his wife — plans to plead not guilty to the charges according to his attorney, WCCO TV reports. Via MinnPost.

Boelter, 57, is due in federal court for his arraignment on Sept. 12 under an order issued late Tuesday, hours after a grand jury indicted him on six counts of murder, stalking and firearms violations. The murder charges could carry the federal death penalty. Via MinnPost.
https://www.cbsnews.com/minnesota/news/vance-boelter-plea-federal-trial-lawmakers-shootings/

Trump supporters burn Maga hats after he dismisses Epstein files furor as ‘hoax’
Mike Pence is latest prominent figure to call for release of files on sex offender once close to president
Joseph Gedeon in Washington
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jul/17/trump-jeffrey-epstein-republicans-maga

Maurene Comey: prosecutor in Jeffrey Epstein case fired by DoJ
There was no specific reason given for her termination from the US attorney’s office in the southern district of New York
Cecilia Nowell and agencies
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jul/16/maurene-comey-fired-sources

How Trump’s anti-immigrant policies could collapse the US food industry - visualized
The president is threatening to deport essential farm workers, grocery clerks and food delivery drivers. But without them, shelves could go empty and prices could soar
Rita Liu and Nina Lakhani
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2025/jul/17/how-many-immigrants-food-industry-workers

Republicans wanted fewer abortions and more births. They are getting the opposite
Judith Levine
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/jul/17/republicans-abortions-dobbs-births

Rodent wars: US city where ground squirrels outnumber people fights back
Residents of Minot, North Dakota, exasperated by proliferation of furry foot-long neighbors
Associated Press
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jul/17/ground-squirrels-minot-north-dakota

‘It feels cool to be a cog in change’: how doughnut economics is reshaping a Swedish town
A casual mention of Kate Raworth’s theory has grown into the basis for decision making in Tomelilla
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2025/jul/17/doughnut-economics-tomelilla-sweden-decision-making-town-planning

Even Neanderthals had distinct preferences when it came to making dinner, study suggests
Analysis of bones from two caves shows prehistoric people butchered the same animals in different ways
Nicola Davis Science correspondent
https://www.theguardian.com/science/2025/jul/17/even-neanderthals-had-distinct-preferences-when-it-came-to-making-dinner-study-suggests

‘Time to get excited!’ Why Stranger Things could be back to its best for its final episodes ever
The Netflix show’s last season just dropped a trailer full of heavy metal, demons, tornados and flamethrowers. And even better – it might have rediscovered its devastatingly emotional core
Stuart Heritage
https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2025/jul/17/time-to-get-excited-why-stranger-things-could-be-back-to-its-best-for-its-final-episodes-ever

‘He told us to just tell the truth’ – behind a revealing Billy Joel documentary
In HBO’s five-hour portrait, the chart-dominating singer-songwriter gives unusual insight into his career with support from his A-list friends and collaborators
Jesse Hassenger
https://www.theguardian.com/music/2025/jul/17/billy-joel-documentary-hbo

Connie Francis was a trailblazing pop star haunted by tragedy
Bob Stanley
https://www.theguardian.com/music/2025/jul/17/connie-francis-dead-pop-star-legacy

Exploring Carmarthenshire With Cheryl

Jul. 17th, 2025 10:39 pm
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I took today off from the Day Jobbe and Cheryl and I set off to explore parts of Carmarthenshire, the county in which the lives. I wish I'd brought my pedometer, because I am sure I logged a whole lot of steps.

There are a lot of photos in this entry, but there more than sixty overall today. You can always click through to see more.

Hill Forts, Donuts, Museum, a Castle, and a Great Meal )

Then it was time to head for "home" in Ammanford. We got back just before dark, tossed my still-damp clothes into the washer-dryer, and I set to work trying to tag all of these photos.

I have tomorrow off as well, but fortunately we don't have to be up that early. The plan is to pack and then head up to London, then to a hotel near Heathrow in order to be able to more conveniently catch my flight home on Saturday.

It's been a great week here with Cheryl. I wish I could stay longer, but things are pressing on me.

sometimes, I think of ponies

Jul. 17th, 2025 08:43 am
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Have you ever noticed that every projection about “AGI” and “superintelligence” has an “and then a miracle occurs” step?

I have.

I shouldn’t say every projection – there are many out there, and I haven’t seen them all. But every one I’ve personally seen has this step. Somewhere, sometime, fairly soon, generative AI will create something that triggers a quantum leap in capability. What will it be? NOTHING MERE HUMANS CAN UNDERSTAND! Oh, sometimes they’ll make up something – a new kind of transistor, a new encoding language (like sure, that’ll do it), whatever. Sometimes they just don’t say. Whatever it is, it happens, and then we’re off to the hyperintelligent AGI post-singularity tiems.

But the thing is … the thing is … for Generative AI to create a Magic Something that Changes Everything – to have this miracle – you have to already have hyperintelligent AGI. Since you don’t… well…

…that’s why it’s a miracle. Whether they realise it or not.

I’m not sure which is worse – that they do realise it, and know they’re bullshitting billions of dollars away from productive society to build up impossible wealth before the climate change they’re helping make worse fucks everything so they can live like feudal kings from their bunkers, or whether they don’t, and are spirit dancing, wanking off technofappic dreams of creating a God who will save the world with its AI magic, a short-term longtermism, burning away the rest of the carbon budget in a Hail Mary that absolutely will not connect.

Both possibilities are equally batshit insane, I know that much. To paraphrase a friend who knows far more about the maths of this than I, all the generative AI “compute” in the universe isn’t going to find fast solutions to PSPACE-HARD problems. It’s just not.

And so, sometimes, sometimes, sometimes, I think of…

…I think of putting a short reading/watching list out there, a list that I hesitate to put together in public, because the “what the actual fuck” energies are so strong – so strong – that I can’t see how anyone could take it seriously. And yet…

…so much of the AI fantasia happening right now is summed by three entirely accessible works.

Every AI-fantasia idea, particularly the ideas most on the batshit side…

…they’re all right here. And it’s all fiction. All of it. Some of it is science-shaped; none of it is science.

But Alice, you know, we’re all mad here. So… why not.

Let’s go.

1: Colossus: The Forbin Project (1970)

This is the “bad end” you see so much in “projections” about AI progression. A new one of these timelines just dropped, they have a whole website you can play with. I’m not linking to it because why would I, holy shit, I don’t need to spread their crazy. But there’s a point in the timeline/story that they have you read – I think it’s in 2027 – when you can make a critical choice. It’s literally a one-selection choose-your-own-path adventure!

The “good” choice takes you to galactic civilisation managed by friendly hyperintelligent AGI.

The “bad” choice is literally the plot of The Forbin Project with an even grimmer ending. No, really. The beats are very much the same. It’s just The Forbin Project with more death.

Well. And a bioweapon. Nukes are so messy, and affect so much more than mere flesh.

2: Blindsight, by Peter Watts (2006)

This rather interesting – if bleak – novel presents a model of cognition which lays out an intriguing thought experiment, even if it … did not sit well with what I freely admit is my severely limited understanding of cognition.

(It is not helped that it directly contradicts known facts about the cognition of self-awareness in various animals, and did so even when it was published. That doesn’t make it a worse thought experiment, however. Or a worse novel.)

It got shortlisted – deservedly – for a bunch of awards. But that’s not why it’s here. It’s here because its model of cognition is functionally the one used by those who think generative AI and LLMs can be hyperintelligent – or even functionally intelligent at all.

And it’s wrong. As a model, it’s just wrong.

Finally, we get to the “what.” entry:

3: Friendship is Optimal, by Iceman (2012)

Friendship is Optimal is obviously the most obscure of these works, but also, I think maybe the most important. It made a big splash in MLP fandom, before landing like an absolute hand grenade in the nascent generative AI community when it broke containment. Maybe not in all of that latter community – but certainly in the parts of which I was aware. So much so, in fact, that it made waves even beyond that – which is when I heard of it, and how I read it.

And yes… it’s My Little Pony fanfic.

Sorta.

It’s that, but really it’s more an explicit AI takeoff story, one which is absolutely about creating a benevolent hyperintelligent Goddess AI construct who can, will, and does remake the world, destroying the old one behind her.

Sound familiar?

These three works include every idea behind every crazy line of thought I’ve seen out of the Silicon Valley AI crowd. These three works right here. A novel or a movie (take your choice, the movie’s quite good, I understand the novel is as well), a second novel, and a frankly remarkable piece of fanfic.

For Musk’s crowd in particular? It’s all about the model presented in Friendship is Optimal, except, you know, totally white supremacist. They’re even kinda following the Hofvarpnir Studios playbook from the story, but with less “licensed property game” and a lot more more “Billionaire corporate fascism means you don’t have to pay employees anymore, you can just take all the money yourself.”

…which is not the kind of sentence I ever thought I’d write, but here we are.

You can see why I’m hesitant to publish this reading list, but I also hope you can see why I want to.

If you read Friendship is Optimal, and then go look at Longtermerism… I think you definitely will.

So what’re we left with, then?

Some parts of this technology are actually useful. Some of it. Much less than supports the valuations, but there’s real use here. If you have 100,000 untagged, undescribed images and AI analysis gives 90% of them reasonable descriptions, that’s a substantial value add. Some of the production tools are good – some of them are very good, or will be, once it stops being obvious that “oh look, you’ve used AI tools on this.” Some of the medical imaging and diagnostic tools show real promise – though it’s always important to keep in mind that antique technologies like “Expert Systems” seemed just as promising, in the lab.

Regardless, there’s real value to be found in those sorts of applications. These tasks are where it can do good. There are many more than I’ve listed, of course.

But AGI? Hyperintelligence? The underlying core of this boom, the one that says you won’t have to employ anyone anymore, just rake in the money and live like kings?

That entire project is either:

A knowing mass fraud inflating a bubble nobody’s seen in a century that instead of breaking a monetary system might well finish off any hopes for a stable climate in an Enron-like insertion of AI-generated noise followed by AI-generated summarisation of that noise that no one reads and serves no purpose and adds no value but costs oh, oh so very much electricity and oh, oh, oh so very much money;

A power play unlike anything since the fall of the western Roman empire, where the Church functionally substituted itself in parallel to and substitute of of the Roman government to the point that the latter finally collapsed, all in service of setting up a God’s Kingdom on Earth to bring back Jesus, only in this case, it’s setting up the techbro billionaires as a new nobility, manipulating the hoi polloi from above with propaganda and disinformation sifted through their “AI” interlocutors;

Or an absolute psychotic break by said billionaires and fellow travellers so utterly unwilling and utterly unable to deal with the realities of climate change that they’ll do anything – anything – to pretend they don’t have to, including burning down the world in the service of somehow provoking a miracle that transcends maths and physics in the hope that some day, some way, before it’s too late, their God AI will emerge and make sure everything ends up better… in the long term.

Maybe, even, it’s a mix of all three.

And here I thought my reading list was the scary part.

Silly me.

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Post holiday, pre holiday

Jul. 17th, 2025 10:10 am
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I got back from my month in Western Australia early in July, and it's taken me this long to get out from under everything that had piled up while I was away to post. Sigh.

We had a fantastic month. Perth is a lovely city with stunning botanical gardens, although we didn't spend a lot of time there. Most of the trip was spent in small country towns, which in WA are separated by endless open country. I did a few long drives, the longest being the eight-hour drive from Esperance back to Perth across the interior. I covered thousands of kilometres while I was there, and it was great to see so much of a state I've never been to before and which is very unlike the Eastern states.

WA has an amazing number of national parks and an equally amazingly organised number of trails. Using their special app, we did hour-long walks through the bush pretty much everywhere we went. Getting out in nature and being active turned out to be exactly what I needed after a stressful few years.

It was winter, and we had some rain, but not enough to get in our way (good quality rain gear always goes a long way). Previously this trip was booked for last October, which is spring and wildflower season - and then I found out about WA's fly problem. If you've never encountered an Australian fly: they're maddening. They move really slowly, are hard to discourage, and worst of all congregate around your face trying to get at the moisture in your eyes and mouth. Last year was a particularly bad year for flies, and when I saw pictures on social media of people literally covered in a blanket of them, I felt I had no choice but to move the trip. I'm glad I did. At the most northerly point we visited, Kalbarri, there were a few flies even in winter. I took my hat and flynet, which were helpful, but it was difficult to brush off the few flies that landed on us and half a dozen managed to get into the car. And that's in the winter.

WA is also incredibly hot in the summer and hotter than I'd like in the shoulder seasons, so winter temperatures were just fine for us. The other advantage is that there were so few people on holiday at that time. On most of our bush walks we didn't encounter any other people. Australians are super lovely and friendly, but as someone firmly convinced that the outside is far too peoply, this was sheer bliss.

Oh, and also, despite my fears I DIDN'T GET COVID!!! There was definitely some around, and far more at the end than the beginning, but I masked on the plane and anywhere indoors and was fine. It was so encouraging to know I can travel without Covid being an automatic sentence. Travel is my life and I've missed it soooooooooooooooo much.

And now, back home I've plunged straight into trip prep again, as we're booked for a month in Japan in January. These trips were originally meant to be more than a year apart, so six months is pushing it, but I didn't want to put it off now I have my travel-fu back. And I can't wait.

Edited to add: I didn't see a single snake or spider! Most of the roos I saw were sadly roadkill, but I did see one bouncing across the road ahead a couple of times - fortunately far enough away not to hit the car.
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Part of the package that Exeter University offered Cheryl included first class train travel for her and me to and from Exeter. Cheryl collected me at Heathrow Airport last Saturday and we went into London Paddington on Heathrow Express, then on to Exeter on Great Western Railway, as I reported at the time. After the ceremony at the university on Monday, they had a hire car take us to Exeter St. David station, where we had enough time for me to get a coffee at Starbucks (Kayla's Starbucks app seems to work here in the UK) and catch our train.

Trains, Wonderful Trains )

It was a pretty good train trip, although we were more than 30 minutes late into Swansea due to a combination of issues. Cheryl will contact the person who arranged our travel in case they want to claim compensation.

Cheryl drove us to her home in Ammanford from Swansea and heated up a dinner she had made in advance of the trip for this sort of this sort of situation. I didn't realize until I tucked in to her mince over rice just how hungry I was.

We got to bed pretty late. I did not realize until the next morning that I was so tired that I hadn't put in my CPAP mask and anti-teeth-grinding mouth guard. I must have been asleep within a minute of turning off the light.

I was happy with our train trip, even with some of the delays and distractions. It turns out that I've been mostly traveling first class on these entire trip. That won't be the case going back to London on Friday, but that's okay. I can see how one could get spoiled by such things, though.

A walk to the Weald Moors

Jul. 16th, 2025 05:34 pm
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We went for a walk on the other side of town for a change. One side of us is hill country and the other side is moorland- the Shropshire Plain. The nearest moorland to us is known as the Weald Moors.

We walked out via Apley and its very fine pool.

The blackberries are starting to fruit even since last week when they were still in flower:



More pics! )


bears steps outs sorts ofs

Jul. 16th, 2025 02:55 pm
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Bears talkeds girls ins tos goings fors walks. Was hards as girls is alreadys doings lots walkings. Todays wes wents across the strees tos Olympiaparks . Its has losts grass ands tress. (nots sees anys ponds fors fishes) wes did nots goes verys fars intos parks as wes weres boths thinkings its mights rains. Stills is nices to gets outs somes.

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