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I have decided that the pending WSFS Constitutional amendment "The Five Percent Solution" (item A.2 in the 2016 WSFS Business Meeting Agenda goes farther than it should have done. The ostensible reason for the amendment is to remove the rule that requires that the fourth and fifth-place finalists in each Hugo Award category draw at least 5% of the nominations in that category. That part is fine and is dealt with by the first clause, which strikes out section 3.8.5. However, the second clause strikes out wording about "five percent" in section 3.11.4. That section is the requirement that the Committee publish a list of every nominee in the top 15 positions or with at least 5% of the nominations in that category, as long as the nominee got at least 5 nominations.

I don't think that the second section has any actual connection to the first, and is beyond the intended scope of the original change. I therefore intend to move, at the Preliminary Business Meeting this year, to strike out the second clause, which means to retain all of the words in section 3.11.4 and to limit the scope of the amendment to only removing the minimum of 5% to make the final ballot.

This is in my opinion a lesser change (because it reduces the scope of the change), and therefore if my proposed change is adopted by the Preliminary Meeting, the Main Meeting could adopt the modified proposal this year without it having to lay over for another year.

I'm willing to put my name to this because it would not oblige me to recuse myself from business next year in Helsinki. Any proposal on this year's agenda as new business that has my name on it that gets first passage this year and thus is passed on to Worldcon 75 necessarily requires me to recuse myself from presiding over its ratification.

ETA: [livejournal.com profile] timill catches me napping on the Standing Rules; thus the strikeouts above. Sigh.

Date: 2016-07-20 02:51 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I think you're missing a word or phrase here: That section is the requirement that the Committee publish a list of every nominee in the top 15 positions or with at least 5% of the nominations in that category, as long as the nominee got at least _____ nominations.

Date: 2016-07-20 02:56 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kevin-standlee.livejournal.com
Fixed. The minimum is five nominations to be required to be on the We Also Heard From list.

Date: 2016-07-20 08:20 pm (UTC)
mneme: (Default)
From: [personal profile] mneme
Ah, right. I'd missed last year that this was an "and" -- that the current rules required the top 15 be published, and -also- any nominated works which got 5% or more, had at least 5 votes, and didn't make the top 15.

Obviously, this would be a useful cut if it were "and" -- if it were only those of the top 15 that had 5% or more (which would exclude things which were now potential nominees). But it's "and", so it's not a useful cut and I'll happily support this lesser change.

Date: 2016-07-20 02:52 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lindadee.livejournal.com
Oops, I didn't mean for my to be anonymous.

Date: 2016-07-20 02:56 am (UTC)

Date: 2016-07-20 08:01 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kalimac.livejournal.com
What a strange second provision. The first provision increases the number of choices given to the voters (in some circumstances), while the second provision potentially decreases the amount of statistical information given out after the voting - although not necessarily, because the saving clause "at least" remains in the instructions, but without the second minimum guideline. So it turns what was a rule into administrator discretion.

How did this pass last year without some explanation as to what the point was? It looks awfully as if the writers just looked for anything in the Hugo rules with the term "5%" and deleted it, regardless of what it said.

Date: 2016-07-20 09:21 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] scott-sanford.livejournal.com
You'd think.

But I can't count how many times I've come back to oddly behaving code and said, "What? That's not what I meant to write..." Never mind doing it days (or years later); I've done it tonight, minutes after typing the code.

Date: 2016-07-20 01:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kevin-standlee.livejournal.com
I think it's my own fault. I can't recall now, but I'm pretty sure I drafted this motion, and I must have made this mistake by searching for all 5% mentions and not thinking it through, as you said. Too many parliamentary balls in the air, I guess. And because of all of the focus on Puppies, nobody actually read the thing through sufficiently to realize what it actually did as opposed to what the proponents wanted.

Well, this is one reason that we require two consecutive Business Meetings to amend the Constitution.

Date: 2016-07-20 10:17 am (UTC)
timill: (Default)
From: [personal profile] timill
Have fun with SR 1.2: "The Preliminary Business Meeting may not amend a Constitutional amendment pending ratification."

Date: 2016-07-20 01:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kevin-standlee.livejournal.com
If I were sufficiently clever and able to lie through my teeth, I could claim that I was going to do this to see if [livejournal.com profile] jared_dashoff would catch it, it being his first time chairing and all that. But I'm not. Phooey. Post corrected.

Anyone who thinks I think I'm infallible should bookmark this post.

Date: 2016-07-20 02:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jared-dashoff.livejournal.com
That stuck in my jaw last night, but I was too tired to process why. I'm sure if I had not caught it, Tim would have and we'd have told you to come back on Friday. Perhaps this means the PBM ends early enough I can get to the concert. I'm not holding my breath though.

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