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This afternoon, Lisa got kitted up (old clothes, coveralls, dust mask) and climbed under the house to explore the prospect of running an additional 220V electrical circuit from the master box (which has room for one and only one more such connection) under the house to the forward bathroom. If she can run the wire, we can hire our preferred plumbing company to put in an electric hot water heater and to restore much of the ground floor plumbing, which would go a long way toward making the house more habitable.

There are many other electrical projects we want to do, but they are all on hold until we can talk to the contractor with whom we've previously worked (they replaced the cracked floor joists) to discuss them digging a conduit under Front Street in front of our house (which of course involves getting the necessary permits from the city) preparatory to undergrounding a new utility drop from NV Energy to our box, which will then allow an electrical contractor to replace our underpowered 100A box with a proper 200A box with plenty of room for new circuits. After all, pinball machines need dedicated power circuits; they draw a lot of juice.

Lisa concludes that the project is feasible, although there are tricky elements (not a whole lot of room in the existing electrical conduit for another wire, for starters). This weekend we need to measure more closely to determine how much wire we'll need to buy to do the job. She'd prefer 8 gauge wire to give some leeway, but probably will have to use the somewhat thinner 10 gauge if the calculations show that it is sufficient for the circuit she wants to install.

While she was down there, she reacted with great annoyance to the large amounts of scrap pipe and old busted heating conduit laying about under the house, and she made an effort to pass some of the junk out the access port to me. Various workers over the years doing repairs and upgrades have simply left junk down there rather than cleaning up when they were through, and she doesn't like it, as it makes it hard to crawl around there to get work done.

Date: 2014-02-22 10:18 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nojay.livejournal.com
If the scrap pipe is copper think of it as loose change found down the side of the sofa.

Date: 2014-02-22 01:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] garyomaha.livejournal.com
100 amp service? That explains a lot. You need proper power for those pinball machines and Ultra HD webcam feed of the UP mainline.

Date: 2014-02-22 02:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kevin-standlee.livejournal.com
Unfortunately, the utility power drop we currently have is good only for 125A maximum, according to the electrician. Apparently 100A service was standard when they first put electricity in here. NVEnergy came by and quoted $3,000 to drop a modern-service line. We're going to go find out how much to dig a conduit to underground it instead. NV Energy said that they'd run the line through a conduit as well, but it would cost more (in addition to the actual conduit digging, which they won't do). And only when we have a modern 200A service line will the electrician be able to install a proper service box. So we're talking something in the neighborhood of $10,000 to do it right.

Date: 2014-02-23 06:29 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] buddykat.livejournal.com
100A service is still better then the 60A service at my dad's house in Poway. Luckily, there is a separate sub-panel for an electric dryer (that he doesn't have), but still *really* annoying.

I used to work for an electrician, and we would occasionally upgrade people's service from 30A to something that was actually useful - at the time, usually 125A (this was close to 20 yrs ago).

Date: 2014-02-23 06:54 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kevin-standlee.livejournal.com
My late grandfather's house had, I think, 30A service. If we wanted air conditioning, we had to turn off the well water pump or else we'd blow a breaker. And aluminum wire, too. *shudder*

Date: 2014-02-23 06:58 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] buddykat.livejournal.com
Aluminum wire is really bad... almost as bad as knob and tube. I know my boss did a few partial fixes to homes with aluminum wiring that also had metal roofs. Aluminum wiring in the attic crawl space and metal roofing does not go well together - house fires can and will be caused by that particular mix.

Date: 2014-02-23 07:06 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kevin-standlee.livejournal.com
Oboy, the house in Oregon (the old family homestead) was K&T wiring.

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